First, before I begin addressing your questions, let me be clear I am not trying to convince you of God’s existence. I can’t do that.
Fair enough, and I won’t convince that that god isn’t real…
As far as sharing my faith and my reasons for doing so, let me direct you to this video where atheist comedian Penn Jillette shares an encounter he had with a Christian. Let me know what you think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6md638smQd8
That’s an interesting position for Penn but most people still find it annoying and often insulting. As I said before, we know you have good intentions, but it’s still really annoying. It’s not as if we haven’t heard of jesus before. We have. We’re sincerely uninterested.
Furthermore, the Christian life is best because you can be happiest and healthiest in Christ. Your life will truly feel complete, even in the midst of hardships.
How about a single scientific study demonstrating that this claim of yours is true. And if your claim is true, it should be easy to check.
Btw, do you think that other religions do not say the same thing? And how would you respond to someone who said the same thing to you but about Islam? “You can’t know how good your life could be till you try it!”
Believe me, friend, you can’t know this now. You don’t see from my perspective. I pray that one day you will find the peace, hope, and joy I’ve found in Christ.
I believe you mean it, but I also believe you’re wrong.
And why not just pray that I find good things, why must it be your way? If you’re sincerely interested in helping people, why not just wish them good, and be happy whichever way they find it?
The “ex-Christians” you speak of don’t really exist. Once a person has accepted Christ into their life as Lord and Savior, they can never truly be separated from Him, even if they drift away. Those people were probably only Christ in name only, doing their “religious” thing, but never really having a genuine relationship with Him.
Have you heard of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy?
During school, I had to do a project on Darwinian evolution. I did a follow-up project on Creationism and submitted to my teacher privately for no credit, knowing full well that I was doing extra work and the teacher wouldn’t agree with my perspective. Nevertheless, I did not feel comfortable only doing a project that goes against my worldview, without giving my perspective.
Gotta be honest, that really doesn’t sound like persecution. Creationism isn’t science, and certainly not biology, so why would it be taught? Not having your faith taught alongside science isn’t persecution or anything like what was done in the film. (Btw, my path to atheism largely began when I too began to study evolution to disprove things I read in my biology book.)
I also chose to read alternative novels sometimes if the content of a novel the class was reading was something I wasn’t comfortable with.
Again, not really persecution or bias. At all. I mean, for instance, you do realize that christian holidays dominate America? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a minority religion or non-religion in America? If you think what you have to endure is tough, try walking in our shoes.
I know that not all atheists are “new atheists” and I know some people who don’t believe in God, yet are comfortable with others’ beliefs. As a matter of fact, my family had an agnostic man in our Bible study who was married to a Messianic Jewish woman. He was very comfortable expressing his opinion in the group, and we encouraged it.
As far as not all Christians being missionaries: Jesus commands His followers to “go out and make disciples of all nations”. Some Christians may be afraid to share their faith, and I admit, sometimes I am, but it is necessary to help people find faith in God.
Well, I was being charitable in pointing out that not all christians are missionaries, but if you feel they all should be, you’re kinda making my point about being pushy and annoying.
Yes, you can go to a church, but you can’t really experience the love of Christ until you see it demonstrated by His followers, not only in word, but in action as well.
Dude, you do realize I live in a country which is mostly christian, right? It’s not like I haven’t seem them before. (Btw, you do realize this is something that people from all religions say too, right?)
Jesus helps one endure hardships in several ways. When tragedy strikes, it is easy to blame God. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why you choose to disbelieve.
With Jesus, when you’re facing a terminal illness, loss of a loved one, financial trouble etc. you can have confidence that while the present situation may seem overwhelming and too much to bear, you can place the burden on His shoulders and He can give peace.
How? What does he do? How is it different than me believing in a false god?
Also, recognizing that God is working the situation out for good in the end, even though it may be unbearable, and it may make you stronger in the end.
But how do you know it’s for the best? And how can it always be for the best? Like Kevin Sorbo’s character who died: There’s nothing good in dying. Or in suffering. Plus, this is just faith that it’s for the best. You don’t actually know it’s true. It’s basically just a positive - though likely absurd - notion. And one can believe that without god! For instance, even Nietzsche wrote that “what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.”
Yes, during a trial people can come alongside you, and they should, but if you’re all alone at some point with no one to call, text, etc. and you’re feeling hopeless, what do you do? I believe most suicides could be prevented if people could find hope in Jesus.
But a person with a full life with friends and family will typically feel satisfied. They don’t need their friends with them 24/7 acting like a security blanket. And as I said, real life friends can do a lot more help than god apparently does, unless he started making house-calls recently.
You may think what I have to say about the Holy Spirit is absurd, and you are right, at least from your perspective. I can’t convince you to believe. The Holy Spirit is the agent God uses to allow non-believers to come to a knowledge of the faith.
So why bother preaching if it’s all a matter of the holy spirit? Actually, scratch that. I don’t care. You believe a magical force must move someone to accept what you’re preaching. I got nothing more to say about that.
You may only build your hope on real things. Ask yourself how those things will help you get through hardships. If your hope is built on your loved ones, money, possessions, or even good memories, how will that help you get through the most horrendous situations? Your loved ones will eventually die, your possessions can get destroyed, you can go bankrupt, lose memory, etc. My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness. He can help us endure the most painful obstacles, and give us peace in our situations unlike anything else the world has to offer.
Why does the fact that everything I value will fade away take away from their worth? My parents may already be dead, but they can still inspire me. The fact that they’re dead doesn’t take away from that. It doesn’t take away from my memories, knowing they loved me, from the lessons they taught me, etc. You keep insisting it has to be some eternal support system, but I don’t see why.
And again, I don’t see how Jesus could be 1/10000000th as helpful as actual things. I’d rely on a toothpick sooner than I’d rely on jesus, bc toothpicks actually exist. I know what they can do and not do. They’re consistently toothpicks. But god… there’s no demosntration that he does anything… ever! so how is that supposed to help anyone more than just a placebo effect from an imaginary friend?
I’m not trying to bust your balls, but what you’re saying really doesn’t make sense. Which is probably another reason why people find it super annoying when you preach. “Here’s a whole lot of stuff which doesn’t make sense but i’m just gonna keep saying it anyways, though you don’t like, until the holy spirit decides to change your mind.” Can you really not see why that’s annoying? Missionizing is basically the social equivalent of a telemarketer.