Jewish Atheist

An agnostic atheist perspective
from a once orthodox Jew.

Anonymous asked: Take for example your post on the iron dome. Pointing out that its Science and not God saving the people isn't so great because a) If someone genuinely believe that it wasn't the iron dome and God saving them pointing out the flaw in their thinking is low hanging fruit b) Most Theists would simply say that that God is acting through science, making your comment on the matter somewhat pointless. As for that juicy high hanging fruit, I really like posts on disproving a) apologetics b) general tora

I think it’s still helpful, mostly for people on the fence, which is who my blog is primarily for.

also, after doing this blog for like two years, I’m running out of apologetics and torah to disprove!

So, when I have free time and feel like writing, I surf the jewish tags for something which stirs me. Sometimes it’s apologetics, sometimes it’s torah, sometimes it’s random posts.

So, again, instead of complaining, send a suggestion for s/t you’d like me to look over.

ameliarating asked: You might want to add to your response about the anon who doesn't know if they should consider themself Jewish that the whole Khazarian thing is a myth as well.

yeah, I just didn’t want to get into it bc, really, it doesn’t matter. even if its true, it would be just like the adam and eve myth or the abraham myth… it doesn’t matter. thanks for the message though

Anonymous asked: You seem to have a tendency to go for low hanging fruit

Not sure what you mean, but if you feel that way, instead of sending whiny, cryptic messages, how about offering some of that delicious high-hanging fruit.

Anonymous asked: I find your public demonstration of leaving Judaism disgusting. I'm going to tell you my motto that I tell people to try and save them. We are both happy with our way of life. I'm happy keeping the Torah (and being saved from the curses), and you are happy with your heretical ways. When we die, if your way is correct- we are equal since we were both happy. But if I'm right: I have endless reward and eternity, and you have eternal punishment. Contact me at mickeysgordon[at] gmail if you want to.

You find me expressing my life decisions to be “disgusting”; how very open-minded of you.

Also, your brilliant “motto” is something called “pascal’s wager”. And, surprise surprise, there are a ton of problems with it, some of which I have written about on this blog.

And while I don’t find you “disgusting”, I do feel bad for you that you have to base your life decisions on avoiding (imaginary) threats from your a (supposedly real and) loving god. I find it sad that you think our ways of life are automatically equivalent bc we might both be “happy.” I’m sure there were many slaves throughout history that were satisfied with their lives, but I would not for an instant want to be one of them. Freedom and independence are their own virtues, aside from happiness. But you live your life making due with what you’re allowed to do based on the dictates of your divine ruler. You are a slave. And you worship out of fear. And, if you’re lucky and behave right, you’ll have the great fortune to be his slave for all eternity?! Lucky you. 

As for me, no thanks. I’ll stick with logic, reason, evidence, and progressive values.

And I encourage everyone to contact mickeysgordon@gmail.com to discuss this with him.

Anonymous asked: How do religious people believe in both evolution & Adam/Eve? They seem kinda stupid to me. I know some People who are using religion to support gay marriage when it obviously condemns homosexuality. Religious people lack critical thinking and are very ignorant. The can't accept the whole truth.

it’s not about being stupid. it’s usually about indoctrination. it’s a hard thing to get over. I don’t really blame the average religious person for their beliefs for that reason. I kinda feel bad for them.

but when they start preaching bullshit (or, say, harassing people outside of planned parenthood) that’s when I step in.

Anonymous asked: My parents are Jewish. As an atheist, I'm not sure whether I should consider myself jewish or not. I come across as self-hating. The Jewish people are not a race. There are Jewish people all around the world, including Yemen & Ethiopia. Most white Jews are khazarians. No one is a descendant of Abraham or Jacob, they are fictional characters.

Regardless of our origins, we have been a tribe, a people, living together for a long time. That definitely means something.

Whether you want to actively consider yourself part of the jewish people, or just consider it your background, it’s up to you.

I personally find it harder and harder to associate with the jewish people bc I don’t share their values. But I definitely consider it part of who I am, if only historically. but to each their own.

Parashat Devarim

zavatchalavudvash:

 It’s chilling to read the last passuk of this week’s Parasha.

 “You shall not fear them, for Hashem, your God – He shall wage war for you”

(Deuteronomy 3:22)

Despite the stress, the security tensions, the pain and the tragedy, the fact that so few rockets have hit civilians and populated areas, is simply a miracle. When watching footage of the Iron Dome in action on YouTube it’s easy to see God’s Zeroa Netuyah defending us, waging war for us….

I don’t understand the line of reasoning which sees miracles in seeing a machine do what it was designed to do. Like, cars are awesome, but it’s not a fucking miracle every time you drive your honda to 7/11.

No, it’s science. And science works. Consistently. And clearly. Understandably. 

So unless the car drove without an engine, or all the missiles suddenly imploded of their own accord, god doesn’t deserve any credit. Science and scientists do. And I don’t think this is controversial. Really it’s just the reality of the situation.

saturdaychores:

Saturday Chores #6, July 5, 2014
This sign was all Grayson’s idea. I couldn’t stop laughing.

The job in CT is in a weird spot. My boss wants me to work there like 4 hours a day 4 days a week. Which is kinda b.s. since I have an actual full-time job with benefits in NY… soooo… problematic.
What made it worse was I got to work late on Saturday, partially bc I stopped for a few minutes to argue with an asshole protesting outside a planned parenthood.
I like debating them. I’d actually love to go back and argue more… just gotta remember not to do when I’m late for work, no matter how offensive and stupid the people are.
also, what’s up with pro-life christian protestors being dumb as shit?
Me: how do you even know that you’re god is real?Protestor: Well, I have a book written by him telling me he is!
Me:

saturdaychores:

Saturday Chores #6, July 5, 2014

This sign was all Grayson’s idea. I couldn’t stop laughing.

The job in CT is in a weird spot. My boss wants me to work there like 4 hours a day 4 days a week. Which is kinda b.s. since I have an actual full-time job with benefits in NY… soooo… problematic.

What made it worse was I got to work late on Saturday, partially bc I stopped for a few minutes to argue with an asshole protesting outside a planned parenthood.

I like debating them. I’d actually love to go back and argue more… just gotta remember not to do when I’m late for work, no matter how offensive and stupid the people are.

also, what’s up with pro-life christian protestors being dumb as shit?

Me: how do you even know that you’re god is real?
Protestor: Well, I have a book written by him telling me he is!

Me:

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Anonymous asked: Hey I'm also a "Jewish atheist" and I'm thinking about starting a blog about my daily life, since I'm still in the process of leaving the Orthodox community and I feel like I might have an audience. Do you have any advice for me, like in general for life since I never have the opportunity to talk to someone "off the derech" or any tips where the blog is concerned?

Do it!

blog advice?

1) Do the blog for you, not for others.

2) be prepared for your deep, personal, and thought out posts to get much fewer notes than the random thought or reblog you haphazardly post.

3) write well. don’t write too much (a problem I have). and some appropriate pictures or memes are good for a blog platform.

life advice?

1) it can be a tough transition, so take things slow. don’t rush yourself. talk about your thoughts and feelings with others.

2) learn. read. talk to people. the world can get much bigger once your OTD. open yourself up to. try not to be judgmental about different ways of thinking or living. doesn’t mean you have to agree, but open yourself up to hearing about it. you may be surprised how much it can help you evolve over the long run.

3) take the high road. arguing with someone about religion? think things through and avoid personal attacks. just be patient. family giving you hell? just be a gentleman (or gentle-woman). it’s harder for them to criticize you when you’re clearly a good person.

good luck =]

Anonymous asked: Whats your take on the war?

I’m really not sure. For one, I’m not well versed on the history and politics. for another, I grew up in a really zionistic house and having lived in israel, and just being jewish, I have a pro-israel bias… otoh, most people whose opinions I tend to agree with tend to be much more critical of israel, so I’m kinda guessing the picture is a bit more complex than what I hear in the jewish community, which is that those who criticize israel just hate jews.

A lot of stuff does seem fucked up. like israel is bombing the shit out of the palestinians and killing lots of civilians. now, of course, hamas hides amongst its people, but a) israel is nonetheless killing civilians when they bomb there (mostly civilians!) - the very thing they criticize hamas for, b) it’s just going to create more hatred and more violence in the long run.

other stuff too: like israel warns palestinians to leave beforehand - but, a) where do they go? apparently there aren’t really options. b) what happens when their home is blown to bits? like, thanks for the warning but wtf?! and israel bombing hospitals, schools, power plants? wtf. not cool.

in short, the war is fucked up. that’s all I have for now.

Did you know that according to orthodox judaism you’re not even supposed to see your own naked body, let alone grab your own balls. Fuck that.

Did you know that according to orthodox judaism you’re not even supposed to see your own naked body, let alone grab your own balls. Fuck that.

(Source: comedycentral)