Jewish Atheist

An agnostic atheist perspective
from a once orthodox Jew.
eretzyisrael:

We have more than the Iron Dome…we have G-d! 

riiiiiiiiiiiight… but I’m pretty sure any fucking sane person would rather the actual iron dome (missile intervention system) than “god”. 
but once again god gets credit for things we know have actual, physical - and human - explanations.
and when ISIS scores some amazing wins, of course, thank god!
He works in verrrrrrrrry mysterious ways… mysteriously similar to it not existing at all.

eretzyisrael:

We have more than the Iron Dome…we have G-d! 

riiiiiiiiiiiight… but I’m pretty sure any fucking sane person would rather the actual iron dome (missile intervention system) than “god”.

but once again god gets credit for things we know have actual, physical - and human - explanations.

and when ISIS scores some amazing wins, of course, thank god!

He works in verrrrrrrrry mysterious ways… mysteriously similar to it not existing at all.

eretzyisrael:

A society that rejoices over and celebrates the kidnapping of children cannot be excused. Residents of a town who knowingly conceal child murders and assault the ambulance attempting to remove the bodies are accomplices to murder, not partners in Peace.
 Palestinian society as a whole is responsible for the murder of our boys. 
Supporters of Palestinians have a lot of soul searching to do. 
Never forget. Never forgive. 
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Are ALL Jews/Israelis responsible for the arab kids that have been killed? Will you condemn ALL jews/israelis for those who were chanting about killing arabs in Tel Aviv? 
You are right that there is a point to be made about supporting violence, but there is just as much of a point to be made about stereotyping and lumping all people together.

eretzyisrael:

A society that rejoices over and celebrates the kidnapping of children cannot be excused. Residents of a town who knowingly conceal child murders and assault the ambulance attempting to remove the bodies are accomplices to murder, not partners in Peace.

Palestinian society as a whole is responsible for the murder of our boys. 

Supporters of Palestinians have a lot of soul searching to do. 

Never forget. Never forgive. 

via FB

Are ALL Jews/Israelis responsible for the arab kids that have been killed? Will you condemn ALL jews/israelis for those who were chanting about killing arabs in Tel Aviv?

You are right that there is a point to be made about supporting violence, but there is just as much of a point to be made about stereotyping and lumping all people together.

Anonymous asked: Why did you stop posting, post stuff

I suppose the message was supposed to sound encouraging, but it just sounds rude.

Orthodoxy is not the sole 'original' Judaism - Strenger than FictionIsrael News - Haaretz Israeli News source

Most orthodox jews seem to have no idea how much “judaism” has evolved over the centuries, and how much it’s borrowed from other peoples, nor how fucking ridiculous their claims are. 

But, of course, it only ‘makes sense’ that they should represent “the one true judaism”, like how in Israel the orthodox have a monopoly control and often make the lives of jews who live according to a different version of Judaism simply miserable.

smh. so fucked up.

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comedycentral:

Click here to hook up with last night’s episode of The Report.

hahahaha

Mr. President, Make Shrimp Illegal

With all that blathering about how the USA uses a “judeo-christian” moral system, this seems to be the only logical next step…. So, let’s get the ball rolling…

re: imperfect jewish world…

girloverheretoo:

Well actually being Orthodox in theory means keeping Halacha but I’ll put that aside for now…

We are in agreement about certain points though. I think it is absolutely necessary to hold our leaders and rabbonim to a higher standard than the average person. I don’t follow leaders who display particularly abhorrent behavior. I also don’t think the majority of those identifying as ‘Orthodox’ do either

There are always going to be so-called ‘leaders’ who do things however I would question the amount of shomer-mitzvos Jews they are actually ‘leading’. A great thing about halacha is that there is a lot of room for different hashkafos in that box of rules. There are many different communities; who they listen to is their own business and responsibility.  

I would ask for specifics to what you refer but the point is moot. Obviously if a rabbi isn’t properly following the Torah including those laws under the “bein adom l’chavero” category, it’s silly to follow them.  I don’t believe though among ‘our’ gedolim however, that this particular horrific behavior exists. Otherwise they wouldn’t be gedolim. Obviously no one is perfect but if such stories exist they usually prove to be motzei shem ra, fabrications and/or gross exaggerations.  

GirlOverHere,

Firstly, ever heard of a “naval birshus hatorah” - it’s an idea from the Ramban (I believe) which recognizes that people can follow halacha and still be complete asses.

Secondly, it sounds like your making a “no true scotsman" fallacy. It’s easy to say, "well, they’re not doing it right" or, "they’re a small number who don’t represent the whole." but that fails to recognize that orthodoxy is a tiny slice of the world’s jewry, and that tiny slice is truly broken into many smaller ones. you may consider one group kinda small and kooky, but they may just as well think the same of yours.

Thirdly, if the ways in which someone can interpret the torah and live an orthodox life vary that greatly, then what moral instructions is it giving? Sounds more like people basically interpret it to fit their needs and preconceived positions. So moral people will interpret it morally, and immoral people will interpret immorally. as such, it doesn’t seem to function well as a moral guide if you need to be moral in the first place to interpret it morally!

Lastly, one of my parents is a lawyer in the frum world, and both have been very active in the jewish community for several decades - and even though they’re religious, they readily agree with me bc they get to see a side of the frum world which many - particular the young and eager - don’t get to see. Even when I was super frum I had to accept the uncomfortable reality that there’s a lot of corruption throughout the system. (and, like in business, it’s often the most ruthless people who get to the top.) I know you’d rather consider it all fabrications or exaggerations, and I’m sure some of it is, but what does happen and is documented is often truly horrific enough itself.

Some examples: (and please tell me whether you consider these legitimate rabbis, or whether your legitimate rabbis are ok with this)

1) metzitzah b’peh (esp w/o providing any medical warnings to the parents)

2) stealing gov’t money with welfare so one can learn torah (e.g. the recent report on failed messiah, “93% Of Kiryas Joel On Medicaid Or Subsidized Health Insurance”)

3) covering up sexual abuse / abusing those who try to uncover it! (“Chabad Community Harasses, Ostracizes Child Sex Abuse Victim”)

4) hatred for lgbts… and basically anyone who doesn’t believe like they do. (e.g. “Senior Zionist Orthodox Rabbi: It Is Forbidden To Rent Apartments To Lesbian Couples”)

5) educational censorship for topics which aren’t “torahdic” e.g. science. (e.g. ” head of shas party forbids women from going to college.” or “"How Much Goyishe [Non-Jewish] History Do Our Children Actually Need To Know?"”)

those are just some examples off the top of my head and looking briefly at FM. The fact is, there are SOOOO many examples. When you’re in the frum world, you don’t usually hear about it bc people don’t want to  speak “loshon hara” or simply don’t want to get involved in politics, or bc they simply blindly follow their leader. But oh yeah, this shit happens all the time.

(Source: girloverhere)

Anonymous asked: In your most recent post, I liked the way you explained that the comparisons given were irrelevant because poetry isn't meant to make people sober while torah is meant to make people moral, good, kind etc.. However you could have gone further and offered better comparisons to Orthodox jews who are assholes or creeps. For example, someone who has been on a fitness program for their whole life but is unfit, or a doctor who kills every patient he is given.

lol, thanks anon, that’s true but I try not to pick on a group just bc of what a member does, so I focus on the leaders. but yeah, picking an immoral leader for moral guidance is about as dumb as picking a sociopathic sadist as a dentist.

But maybe it’s fair to point out, say, a university where most of the graduates are dumb as bricks - I mean, it’s gotta say something about the institution, right? Cause honestly, some of the most religious communities I know are often the most immoral and backward. I don’t blame those individuals, but the leaders and the system. It’s just fucked up.

Don’t Expect Frum People to be Angels Either. You won’t stop reading poetry just because half of your favorite poets were alcoholics. You wouldn’t drop out of med school if you found out too many doctors are egoists. So don’t abandon Yiddishkeit when you meet frum(orthodox) creeps. Yes I regretfully inform you they exist. You’ll discover every variety of horrendous human behavior somewhere in the frum world, and you’ll find a few ordinary flaws in everyone. You won’t get perfection or utopia anywhere. You won’t even get spirituality and common decency every single place you find a mezuzah. Torah is only a guideline. It’s not an all-powerful fully guaranteed bleach.

Friedman the Tutor, “How to Get Deeper into Torah, Without Going off the Deep End” (via girloverhere)

I want to point out that poetry isn’t supposed to effect alcohol consumption, and practicing medicine isn’t supposed to effect one’s egotism - but being orthodox is supposed to make someone not be a dick.

And it’s one thing to talk about a joe-shmoe (or ploni almoni) jew who is a jerk, but it’s a whole nother thing to talk about the rabbis - the leaders of this ‘moral’ system - who sometimes display horrific behavior.

Cause I could totally overlook a poet whose a drunk, and I’d probably still use a doctor even if he was egotistical - but I wouldn’t read a poet who was just not a good artist, nor would I use a doctor that’s just not very good at medicine, and I wouldn’t follow the moral instructions of a leader (or book) which quite obviously does not exhibit a proper moral behavior.

And if you don’t know what I mean by ‘rabbis without ethics’, just check out FailedMessiah.com

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tonight, having bbq dinner at my friend’s parents’ house, who I hardly know (btw, amazingly delicious pork ribs)….:

mom: what part of the cow is the “loin”?

friend: I think it’s like… the crotch part….

mom: the crotch? that can’t be right… it doesn’t have enough meat on it…

me: ***casually propping up my collar*** well maybe yours doesn’t….

I’m an awesome guest, lol